[POLITICS] Shocking Story!! Clinton Crony Throws Election by Taking Voters of Color for Granted

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 10/12/2018 at 12:04 • Filed to: None

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Other shocker: there are Hispanic Americans who are not recent immigrants.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 12:19

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Sure but what does each candidate drive?

Ash78, voting early and often > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 12:26

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Non-Cuban Hispanics — voters of Nicaraguan, Dominican, Colombian, Venezuelan, Salvadoran and Puerto Rican descent

Does Mexico not even play into South Florida at all? When I was growing up in Central FL, Latinos were easily 80-90% Mexican, and I’ve seen the same across most of the South. I know Miami is a different beast, I just never imagined I’d see all those countries listed and NOT Mexico.

Biggus Dickus (RevsBro) > For Sweden 10/12/2018 at 12:30

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Asking the real questions here. 

For Sweden > Ash78, voting early and often 10/12/2018 at 12:31

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Ash: You boys feel like Mexico!?

South Florida: What’s Mexico?

California: All Latinos are Mexican

Berang > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 12:31

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alternatively titled:

“There Are Still People in Florida Butthurt About Communism”

Ash78, voting early and often > For Sweden 10/12/2018 at 12:36

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My favorite expression I ever heard, back in the 90s when Mexican immigration to the South was really ramping up. From a rural liquor store employee to my friend, a Guatemalan guy, as he thumbed through his list of acceptable IDs:

“Which kind of Mexican are you? From Colombia, El Salvador?”

And it was said with such innocent ignorance — not condescension or bigotry — you had to laugh.

For Sweden > Ash78, voting early and often 10/12/2018 at 12:38

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Video cuts to people shouting in Spanish to a confused immigrant from Belize

aquila121 > For Sweden 10/12/2018 at 12:39

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You missed a classic:

CalzoneGolem > Berang 10/12/2018 at 12:39

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People in Florida are still butthurt about the Civil War.

LongbowMkII > Ash78, voting early and often 10/12/2018 at 12:52

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My dad played soccer in California during  the 70’s and he told me nothing infuriated the Guatemalans more than being called Mexican. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often 10/12/2018 at 13:18

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I visited New Mexico two weeks ago: Albuquerque, Santa Fe, Taos... Many Spanish speakers, but a totally -- and subtly -- different vibe from the Bay Area where I live. People who clung fiercely to their cultural identity, people who had been born and raised for generations in the US of A. I’m always happy to have my lenses polished and that was such a time.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Berang 10/12/2018 at 13:19

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I don’t get it. Will you expound for me?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CalzoneGolem 10/12/2018 at 13:19

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Will you elaborate? I’m kinda slow.

CalzoneGolem > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 13:33

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The south will rise again

Ash78, voting early and often > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 13:37

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Here in the South, in most places an average Latino resident is a recent immigrant (<10 years) and NOT born here. It’s almost a safe assumption, but not always accurate. NOT the case in places like NYC, most of the Southwest, Chicago, etc.

Funny side story: I had an old cowoker, she and her Latino-origin husband had just moved from the LA area. He got a job as a supervisor in a concrete factory, in part, because most of the line workers knew very little English. A couple days after being hired, orientation, etc...they had to send him to Spanish classes. His family had been in the US for over 100 years and he never even heard Spanish spoken at home while growing up.

The hiring managers just assumed based on his name and appearance.

Sometimes mild racism has comical results.

loki03xlh > CalzoneGolem 10/12/2018 at 13:57

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Don’t you mean the “War of Northern Aggression”?

/s

fintail > CalzoneGolem 10/12/2018 at 14:01

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Didn’t some useless old suit politico claim the south had won the economic war, due to it being a klondike of low wage low amenity jobs while still having socio-economic indicators that lag legit first world locales?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/12/2018 at 14:08

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Wait: did you just say something? All I got was clicking.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 14:09

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Text to speech software can be glitchy :)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often 10/12/2018 at 14:12

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Sometimes mild racism has comical results.

I always laugh when white people talk about reverse racism. There is no such thing as reverse racism, only ironic racism. But if a white person speaks of reverse racism, are they not by default acknowledging the existence of forward racism, and that white people own that?

What I have found interesting a number of times is when in my classroom I say something in Spanish and black students get irritated.

CalzoneGolem > fintail 10/12/2018 at 14:22

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I don’t know that this happened but I wouldn’t be surprised that this happened.

CalzoneGolem > loki03xlh 10/12/2018 at 14:22

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Yes. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/12/2018 at 14:29

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Deranged liberals and their “smart” phones.

I am part of a highly attenuated discussion with another oppo whom I respect very highly about the state of politics in the united states. He is more conservative — note my use of conservative a s an adjective , and not as a label — and I am more liberal, though I think I demonstrate that I straddle the liberal/conservative trench when I defecate. He argues that Democrats are damaging the government in their reactions based upon their irrational hatred of President 45. I argue that the reaction is a direct result of 45's explicit efforts to enrage and inflame the haters. It’s working. He argues that rhetoric alone does not harm the government. Now, if my friend read this paragraph, he might complain that I have been less than accurate, though I have made a good faith effort to represent the gist of the exchange.

In short, I argue that 45's rhetoric is harmful and I think herein lies a principal difference in liberal versus conservative thought: that manners are for wimps and tact is a lie. Further, originalism  has the effect of protecting baked-in institutional white racism. What do you think?

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 14:30

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Small secret:

Latinos are super conservative. The only reason they’re democrats is because democrats like them in the country.

almost every bait for hispanic votes is a poorly interpreted stereotype. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spanfeller is a twat 10/12/2018 at 14:34

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And Conservatives want to build a wall and toss all of them out, over the wall. The more effort I put into thinking about American politics, the more aware I become of scared white men.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 14:41

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Rhetoric has led to wars, damn right it is harmful. It lowers both sides of the aisle. Originalism can be racism in and of itself.

In my opinion, there few legitimate reasons to embrace 45, unless one works in finance and benefits from trickle down lies, or is one of various breeds of racist, nutty bitter boomer or boomer-adjacent yearning for the days of sock hops and Jim Crow laws, or is from an economically ignored locale desperate for improvement, and falls for the con.

I see now there are substantial claims that 45 and family’s good friends the brutal cowardly untouchable Saudi royals/regime have murdered a journalist, it’ll be interesting to see if he has a reac tion.

fintail > CalzoneGolem 10/12/2018 at 14:43

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I think it was a month or so ago, having a hard time finding the quote, but I saw it on TV so it must be true.  People believe it too.

Berang > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 15:00

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“Cuban-Americans in Miami tend to vote Republican and Salazar, who’s of Cuban descent, is carrying this group by 69 percent to Shalala’s 15 percent.”

Simple enough.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/12/2018 at 15:14

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As for the “few legitimate reasons” part of your remark, I’m coming to similar conclusions, but I’m less scathing in how I put it. I don’t want to find myself on a slippery slope toward someone else’s narrative. But I think you should add misogynist to your list.

As for the Saudis dismembering a journalist, the story makes me begin to feel ill and we will rediscover whether (or not, most likely) our congress has any backbone.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Berang 10/12/2018 at 15:17

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Yes, but I do not see how this fits your suggested alternative title to my post.

I’m not going to disagree with you, but the thesis of my posting this story is that another arrogant White HRC person is about to lose an election that was entirely theirs to lose. Not campaigning in Spanish to a hard core block of Spanish-speaking voters? Was Shalala just writing off those votes from the start?

Berang > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 15:24

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“Cuban-Americans in Miami tend to vote Republican and Salazar, who’s of Cuban descent, is carrying this group by 69 percent to Shalala’s 15 percent. Non-Cuban Hispanics — voters of Nicaraguan, Dominican, Colombian, Venezuelan, Salvadoran and Puerto Rican descent — tend to vote Democratic and Shalala leads among this demographic by 50-29 percent.”

Salazar is leading the Hispanic vote, seemingly, by winning the Cuban demographic. Lots of wealthy Cuban families Left Cuba because of communism, and historically have been right-wing voters.

Shalala may be slacking on getting the Hispanic voters, and could be doing more - but she can’t really become a conservative Cuban, which is what she’d really need to do to get that vote.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Berang 10/12/2018 at 15:34

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Okay, now I’m beginning to understand your point. So to my suggestion, it would seem that with the Cuban vote, perhaps Shalala didn’t bother. But it sounds like she wasn’t passing up very many votes anyhow, but dang: if I were running for office, you can bet I’d be making some effort to reach out to non-English language speakers in my constituency. Not to do so strikes me as just plain rude.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 15:44

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Breaking! This just in! Old white American politicians completely out of touch with their demographics!

Berang > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 16:01

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All politics is rude, at base level. But it’s definitely lazy, beyond that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 10/12/2018 at 16:09

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#DiFi

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Berang 10/12/2018 at 16:12

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I’m getting tired of all of it.

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 16:13

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“ Scared white men” might as well be Trump’s 2020 motto.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spanfeller is a twat 10/12/2018 at 16:41

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They’ll all be dead soon enough, but the courts will be packed with them for a generation.

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 16:46

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I mean, they could try to impeach them or increase the size of the courts: constitution allows both

So right now its a 4/5 court, if they turn it into a 11 justice pannel they could reverse it to 6/5. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spanfeller is a twat 10/12/2018 at 16:50

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I’d like to see 11 justices. Then the confirmation could be less contentious. And in upping the size of the court, in the initial setup, each party would confirm one justice.

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 17:11

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In Mexico we have 11 justices; all of them got elected with a supermajority iirc. Also, they can only serve for 15 years, which I used to see as a burden.  But the more I learn about the American way, I’m more gracious of our supreme court.

Spanfeller is a twat > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 17:25

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Though, the solution to partizanship in the supreme court isn’t solved by adding more justices.

I call it the Cat rule: adding more of the problem doesn’t solve it. 

Kanaric > Berang 10/12/2018 at 18:27

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Florida has a huge Cuban ex-pat population of people who even recently have fled the communist country lol. So IDK how that is not understandable. 

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/12/2018 at 18:42

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It amazes me how many conservative women themselves seem to be misogynists, but I suppose that’s something for another discussion. We’re diving deep into shithole territory now, I don’t know if it is possible to be too scathing. This is the worst regime in American history, and the mess it makes will take decades to repair - if we can get back at all.  Meanwhile those who don’t understand will be distracted by a hot stock market, even though if they are seeing few to no benefits.

I’d wager the regime will do nothing of substance about the Saudis - King Don, Prince Jared, and Princess Feckless love the idea of Saudi royals, and see themselves as the American equivalent.

Berang > Kanaric 10/12/2018 at 20:59

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...and these are the ones with the decades long history of being right-wing voters? Thank you for the clarification.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spanfeller is a twat 10/13/2018 at 00:24

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It would allow more turnover, I should think.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/13/2018 at 00:27

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Self-misogynists?

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/13/2018 at 11:28

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Effectively. I think there’s a desire for some imaginary 1950s society on their behalf, too. Funny how the right has a yearning for when they see things as “great”, yet won’t go for the tax structure of the era.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/13/2018 at 13:02

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That, too. I met a really cool guy today, a retired Air Force special operator who’s been to Turkey 6 times and served throughout 41, 42, 43 and part of 44s’ presidencies. Staunch Democrat with a concealed carry permit and a compact 9mm strapped to his ankle. I bought some audio equipment from him at a yard sale.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Berang 10/13/2018 at 13:03

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All politics is rude, at base level.

Is that an observation, or an explanation? Or is it something else?

Kanaric > Berang 10/13/2018 at 13:12

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Not all of them have been there for decades, people still come over on boats. Just like people in Cuba are still killed and murdered like in any Authoritarian nation. Also with your starting sentences with ..., you are peak fake internet personality smug. I only expect low/bad information our of people like that. Your racist generalizations of the cuban community as all being here for decades and hateful of communism, as if it’s unjustified,  aside.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/13/2018 at 18:56

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Sounds like my uncle. Early boomer, Vietnam vet (Marines, combat, saw some serious shit that gets to him to this day), 2nd amendment fan, not a fan of generic cloned Dems but overall progressive mentality, sees the current regime as irredeemably corrupt and embarrassing. He’s also supports kneeling football players and has no issue with BLM.

Part of it might be because he saw my aunt fight and succumb to cancer, while the ordeal cost them a fortune , and he knows that it wouldn’t have been a similar hell in other first world areas.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/13/2018 at 19:11

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Patriotism is a sacred, personal expression, not a game of Truth or Dare.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/13/2018 at 19:23

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I thought it was something to link to flag waving, stickers on cars, and a con to vote for the so-called right as they supposedly support the troops and love war (but so often end up being chickenhawks or draft dodgers).

I wasn’t linking my anecdote to anything related to patriotism, rather, than finding it amusing that someone of a demographic who I would usually assume embraces Big Orange wants nothing to do with him.  My 90-something old school Catholic grandma also loathes 45, which amuses me as her son, my wacky conspiracy theorist boomer stereotype uncle is a MAGA type.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/13/2018 at 20:37

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No, I was just kind of throwing that out there because it’s something I particularly resent from that lot. And the folks who call themselves Christians and then think they have the juice to judge who else is or isn’t Christian.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/14/2018 at 00:32

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There’s probably some good venn overlap between preachy faux-patriots and faux-Christians.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 10/14/2018 at 11:45

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I count myself as a disciple of Christ, though I’m sure He’s got many who are much more diligent than I am. Nevertheless, I am confident that He loves us. It wouldn’t be for me to pronounce someone a faux Christian, but the folks you refer to, I assume, cleave unto these categories for a sense of identity. They want to belong . President 45 plays on that.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/14/2018 at 15:45

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Yes, the real Christians, and I am sure there are many, are not the ones who make sure everyone knows their beliefs. They are the ones who join up to kind of be in a gang, and impose something on others. There’s definitely a parallel between that and red hat wearers.

I grew up in a very secular household. I think my dad’s side was Lutheran, and my mom’s side fairly traditional Catholic.  My parents never made their kids attend church, but were allowed to attend if they wanted. They allowed us to explore the idea of religion as we pleased, and if we didn’t want to take part, that was also fine. I am not into it, while my sister likes it more.